Saturday's News: Nash ain't no Ricky Davis, thank God.....

[INFORMER]

He's playing 40 minutes-plus per game.
What would his stats be like at 30 minutes and having to share the ball?
Would he pout?

Having to share the ball? That's Iguodala's game. Just the other night he had 8 shot attempts. This isn't a guy who is just looking to score and put up 20+ shots per game. And why would he play only 30 minutes?

[Indy]

Amare and Andre take about the same amount of shots (even though AI plays about 15-20% more minutes per game).

[AZSportsFan]

Wow, you two really are going to find the best light for Amare no matter what happens, aren't you?

If we resign Amare, we will not have any money to get talent. If we let him walk, we will not have any money to get talent, either.

Andy, for the record, I don't have any position on any particular scenario for moving Amare. I was just trying to clarify what Amare was saying on the context of the above quote (or at least, clarify what I thought he was saying).

Alan S: So the Suns trade Amare for AI and Dally, and perhaps a protected first round pick. I don't see that improving the team or the financials. It's not like we can start hand-picking favorable trades now.
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I still think a bird in the hand is better than 2 or 3 in the bush AT THIS POINT.

Ummm... is that in response to something I said? My only point was about Amare saying to Sarver, don't give me a lowball salary, and then, not use the savings to get good players. I wasn't advocating for any particular deal.

No it was my mistake. It was in response to Andy_S. Sorry.

[LazarusLong]

He's playing 40 minutes-plus per game.
What would his stats be like at 30 minutes and having to share the ball?
Would he pout?

Having to share the ball? That's Iguodala's game. Just the other night he had 8 shot attempts. This isn't a guy who is just looking to score and put up 20+ shots per game. And why would he play only 30 minutes?

OK, maybe he'd play more. But he's playing a ton of minutes with Philly because they stink.

I'd probably be more inclined to him if he shot better. I'm just not a big fan the way others are.

[INFORMER]

He played a ton of minutes last season and they were a playoff team.

[SwingMan]

He played a ton of minutes last season and they were a playoff team.

You got 3 teams in the west over .500 out of the playoffs.

You got 3 teams in the east under .500 in the playoffs.

Moral of the story: When it comes to east teams, be REAL careful how freely you throw the term "playoff team" around.

Philly sucks and there's no ammount of semantics or anythng else that can take away the stink of that fact.

[INFORMER]

Philly was a .500 club last year and beat the eventual Eastern Conference champs twice in the playoffs. Yeah, they sucked.

[SwingMan]

Philly was a .500 club last year and beat the eventual Eastern Conference champs twice in the playoffs. Yeah, they sucked.

We, at 44-38, beat the eventual NBA champs twice in 2003 - yeah, we were world beaters, huh?

Philly's 19-31 so far this year and out of the playoffs despite the generous east handicap - what exactly do YOU call that, INF?

[INFORMER]

I wasn't talking about THIS season, Swing.

LL point out that Iggy gets his numbers playing a ton of minutes this season on a terrible team. I countered by pointing to Iguodala playing the same amount of time last season with the same level of productivity (and even better efficiency) on a team that went to the playoffs and gave the eventual Eastern Conference champs a run for their money.

Does that make them world-beaters? No, and I never said anything to suggest. But that team didn't suck, either.

[SwingMan]

The east has sucked ass for 5 years now, INF - that's MY point.

[INFORMER]

Great analysis.

[Ring_Wanted]

I'd do that trade if

1.- We got an additional asset in form of youth/pick
2.- We felt that the improvement on defense and rebounding offsets the loss on offense.

If the Sixers don't agree with the first, there's nothing to talk about.

One thing to note is that Amare+J-Rich for Iggy+Dally puts us under the l-tax or slightly above it.

I fear that is motivation enough for the Suns to make the trade without getting a youngster or 1stR.

Of course, Barbs instead of J-Rich is ridiculous.


Still, my prefered route would be Jermaine O'Neal, at least one pick and one young. If the FO felt Beasley is too much of a headcase, I think a third team could be willing to take him and send us something interesting.

[SwingMan]

Great analysis.

Better than talking about seasons that don't matter for the purpose of slipping & sliding to bolster an arguement.

But, let's not let facts get in the way of propping one's view at all costs - or shooting back with nothing more than snide commentary when presented with those facts.

[INFORMER]

Still, my prefered route would be Jermaine O'Neal, at least one pick and one young.

Agreed.

[Wormwood]

Amare for Iggy and Speights is a deal I'd do in heartbeat. It also frees up enough cap space to sign Frye to something just under the MLE.

[JustWinBaby]

If we do trade Amare my bet Phillie of Miami will not be the destination. The Suns have always surprised us and the rumor mill has usually never guessed it.

Who would have thought Raja and Boris to Charlotte for Richardson and Dudley?

etc etc etc

[INFORMER]

Conversely, Shaq to Cleveland was always rumored, and it happened.

[INFORMER]

I really do hope they can work out a deal with Miami. Even if the Philly deal includes Speights, I probably still wouldn't make it.

I also wouldn't mind dealing with Detroit for Prince, Kwame Brown, Jonas Jerebko, Austin Daye, and their 2010 1st rounder (top 1 protected).

[JustWinBaby]

I really do hope they can work out a deal with Miami. Even if the Philly deal includes Speights, I probably still wouldn't make it.

I also wouldn't mind dealing with Detroit for Prince, Kwame Brown, Jonas Jerebko, Austin Daye, and their 2010 1st rounder (top 1 protected).

One of the potential trades I saw today was Philly, Detroit and Us

We get Iggy a

Detroit gets Amare

Philly gets Ben Gordon

Why in the world would Philadelphia want Ben Gordon for Iggy?

[ShelC]

Why in the world would Philadelphia want Ben Gordon for Iggy?

Because they dont have enough undersized shooting guards.